Clay, I know I am being a pain in your back side but just trying to do the job I am asked to do. Any word from your third party engineer? Kyle from C-Con submitted another idea yesterday, was just wondering if you had a chance to look at it? Please let me know soonest. This little area of work is really starting to effect the speed of the job. Thanks Once again, sorry for being so much trouble. Jim Kinder Executive Vice President Messer Group, Inc. P.O. Box 975 Coppell, TX 75019 214-802-9319 cell 972-745-3432 fax