Eric, That wasn’t my understanding. This is a question better posed to Austin. Todd, please reply. From: Christiansen, Eric [mailto:echristiansen@halff.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 9:47 AM To: Eric T. Little; Andrew Harper Cc: Lara, Amanda; McCulley, Jonathan; Barnett, Clay Subject: FW: Town of Addison Vitruvian Park Phase 1D Steel Arch Paint Guys, At last week's meeting, there was plenty of discussion regarding the steel arch paint. It is my understanding that Jonathan and Amanda made it clear that the TxDOT spec required all coatings to be from the same manufacturer. I was led to believe that when Austin was made aware of this, they indicated that they would get back to us about how they wanted to proceed with the coatings. As of this moment, we have not seen any new information on coatings. My simple question is: when will we see this new information? We're ready to review any new submittal that Austin wants to bring to our attention. Thanks, Eric Eric S. Christiansen, P.E., SECB, LEED AP Senior Structural Engineer HALFF ASSOCIATES, INC. 1201 North Bowser Road Richardson, Texas 75081 Phone 214-346-6284 Fax 214-739-0095 Cell 972-955-2996 www.halff.com From: Christiansen, Eric Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 10:06 AM To: 'Eric T. Little'; Wade Geistweidt; Lara, Amanda; Nick Jacob Cc: Barnett, Clay; Richard J. Hammerberg Subject: RE: Town of Addison Vitruvian Park Phase 1D Steel Arch Paint Eric, We're looking at this issue and hope to have an answer later today. Eric S. Christiansen, P.E., SECB, LEED AP Senior Structural Engineer HALFF ASSOCIATES, INC. 1201 North Bowser Road Richardson, Texas 75081 Phone 214-346-6284 Fax 214-739-0095 Cell 972-955-2996 www.halff.com From: Eric T. Little [mailto:ELittle@udr.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 10:04 AM To: Wade Geistweidt; Lara, Amanda; Christiansen, Eric; Nick Jacob Cc: Barnett, Clay; Richard J. Hammerberg Subject: RE: Town of Addison Vitruvian Park Phase 1D Steel Arch Paint Eric: Per our conversation a bit ago, we need some direction on the following two items: 1. The specifications on this project refer us to TxDOT Item 446 for painting. Nowhere in either the 446 or in the specs do we see anything mentioning requirements for warranties on the coating systems. Can you advise on what the intent was here? 2. The 446 outlines 4 methods for surface prep for paint. We are not sure which one is desired on this project. Please advise. Thanks, Eric From: Wade Geistweidt [mailto:WGeistweidt@kleinfelder.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 8:53 AM To: Lara, Amanda; echristiansen@halff.com; Eric T. Little; Nick Jacob; Andrew Harper; Todd Henson; Derek Dodson Cc: cbarnett@addisontx.gov; Richard J. Hammerberg Subject: FW: Town of Addison Vitruvian Park Phase 1D Steel Arch Paint Please see Robert Boswell comments below. Wade Geistweidt Engineering Tech 2035 Central Circle Suite 110 McKinney, TX 75069 o| 972.562.4677 c| 469.576.9951 f | 972.542.4366 Error! Filename not specified. ________________________________ From: Robert Boswell Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:44 PM To: Wade Geistweidt; David T. Hernandez Cc: Richard J. Hammerberg; cbarnett@addisontx.gov; Robert Boswell Subject: Re: Town of Addison Vitruvian Park Phase 1D Steel Arch Paint Carboline or Sherwin Williams should provide a letter under their letter head giving direction on what action to take and what product to apply. This letter should be signed by someone of authority within their company that the Owner or engineer or both can go back to them for resolution if there is a problem later with this coating system. In addition, who is going to provide the warranty, Carboline or Sherwin Williams or the contractor or all three? My suggestion - if any coating is to be applied that is not from the same manufacturer, if recoat windows have been exceeded, if coating repairs are needed or anything else out of the ordinary with this coating is to be done, get clear direction in writing in letter form under the coating supplier's letter what is to be done. Industrial coatings are not cheap and contractors that apply industrial coatings are not cheap either. Lets apply coatings on these arches with the expectation that they perform as required and dont fail early. And another thing, you may want to ask that certified painters apply the coating. If this all gets setlled with using coatings from one supplier for the entire coating system, a warranty should still be provided. I design coating systems for corrosion control on large 10 and 12 million steel water tanks and I have worked with industrial coatings on many other types surfaces in the past years. I have also worked with and still do work with representatives within both Carboline and Sherwin Williams. If I can be of further help in this matter please do not hesitate to call me. Sent from myTouch 4G Robert Boswell 512-436-3380 NACE CCI, NACE CCT CWI, CRI, NDE Level II Project Manager/Consultant Welding/NDT Practice Leader Under Water Dive Con Specialist ----- Reply message ----- From: "Wade Geistweidt" To: "Robert Boswell" , "David T. Hernandez" Cc: "Richard J. Hammerberg" , "cbarnett@addisontx.gov" Subject: Town of Addison Vitruvian Park Phase 1D Steel Arch Paint Date: Tue, Mar 29, 2011 4:04 pm David and Robert, What are your thought on this? Thanks Wade Geistweidt Engineering Tech 2035 Central Circle Suite 110 McKinney, TX 75069 o| 972.562.4677 c| 469.576.9951 f | 972.542.4366 ________________________________ From: Eric T. Little [ELittle@udr.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 2:40 PM To: Andrew Harper; Nick Jacob; don@sdpcllc.com; Wade Geistweidt Cc: Todd Henson; Derek Dodson Subject: RE: Town of Addison Vitruvian Park Phase 1D Steel Arch Paint Thanks – I’ll get with Kleinfelder and make sure they are ok with that. From: Andrew Harper [mailto:AHarper@Austin-Ind.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 2:32 PM To: Eric T. Little; Nick Jacob; don@sdpcllc.com; wgeistweidt@kleinfelder.com Cc: Todd Henson; Derek Dodson Subject: RE: Town of Addison Vitruvian Park Phase 1D Steel Arch Paint Spoke with Bruce at Carboline Technical Services. He said that the special surface preparation involves simply pressure washing the surface, and applying a “tie-coat” primer. According to Scott Derr Painting, our intermediate coat of paint is a “Recoatable Epoxy Primer” which is the same as a “tie-coat”. Andrew Harper Cell (214) 886-6666 From: Eric T. Little [mailto:ELittle@udr.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 2:00 PM To: Andrew Harper; Nick Jacob; don@sdpcllc.com; wgeistweidt@kleinfelder.com Cc: Todd Henson; Derek Dodson Subject: RE: Town of Addison Vitruvian Park Phase 1D Steel Arch Paint The spec sheet says: The arches have weathered for more than 30 days. We need to see if any “special surface preparation” is required prior to topcoating. From: Andrew Harper [mailto:AHarper@Austin-Ind.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:12 AM To: Eric T. Little; Nick Jacob; don@sdpcllc.com; wgeistweidt@kleinfelder.com Cc: Todd Henson; Derek Dodson Subject: FW: Town of Addison Vitruvian Park Phase 1D Steel Arch Paint Sherwin-Williams says that their paint is compatible with the Carboline 828 Primer. Attached is the technical data for reference. Thanks, Andrew Harper Cell (214) 886-6666 From: 5896 Rep [mailto:swrep5896@sherwin.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 9:35 AM To: Andrew Harper Cc: swrep4881@sherwin.com Subject: Re: Town of Addison Vitruvian Park Phase 1D Steel Arch Paint Andrew, Sherwin-Williams Recoatable Epoxy Primer and High Solids Polyurethane are commonly used and approved for use for TXDOT Protection System #3 as an epoxy intermediate and polyurethane topcoat over an epoxy zinc primer. In review of the Carbozinc 858 epoxy zinc primer technical data sheet, the data sheet states that the Carbozinc 858 may be topcoated with epoxies and urethanes. Therefore, Sherwin-Williams Recoatable Epoxy primer should be compatible with the Carbozinc 858 epoxy zinc primer as long as it is applied within the recoat window of the Carbozinc 858 zinc rich primer as stated on the technical data sheet. Please feel free to contact me with any questions or clarifications. Thank you, Benjamin Hammond The Sherwin-Williams Company Protective and Marine Group Bridge and Highway N.A.C.E Certified 11415 SSPC Certified Concrete Coating Inspector 214-336-1082 -----Andrew Harper wrote: ----- To: "swrep5896@sherwin.com" From: Andrew Harper Date: 03/28/2011 03:09PM Subject: Town of Addison Vitruvian Park Phase 1D Steel Arch Paint Ben, Our steel arch supplier (AFCO) used Carboline No. 858 zinc primer on the arches. We just want to give the owner some piece of mind that your Sherwin Williams Recoatable Epoxy Primer and High Solids Polyurethane Topcoat is compatible. Thanks for looking into this for me. 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