Chaucer,
This sounds more like a discussion that needs to be between you and your client. However, I do take exception to the statement about the “city changing his requirement.” All the town
expects is that the plans meet the requirements of the town and state. I have reiterated this since the beginning of this project. The plans were not clear in some areas to be able
to discern if there was positive drainage or ADA issues and in some cases we have determined that there was not positive drainage and there were ADA issues. The town is willing to examine
all the alternatives, but at the end of the day there must be positive drainage for the new building and it must be accessible.
If you have any questions, please let me know.
Thanks,
Clay Barnett, P.E.
Town Engineer
Town of Addison
16801 Westgrove Drive
Addison, TX 75001-2818
Office: (972) 450-2857
From: chaucer chern [mailto:chaucerdesign@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 9:33 AM
To: Ross Harle
Cc: Clay Barnett; Chris Robinson
Subject: Re: revised storm drain, Crown Plaza
good morning, ross
without the money paying the helpers, i can not produce the drawings.
our original agreement was to produce this set of drawing at minimum cost.
we followed the instructions from the city with the as-built infos and we finished that drawings. it was agreed at $19K not including the printing, and so far, you only paid me $6500.
another $500 was for the 4" drain line survey. i paid the landscape guy for his original plans and now he charge me another $545 for the revised plans, the revised plans been ready
but i have no money to pick up those.
it costs me $400 every time for the prints i submit the drawings to the city. the $6500 you paid was supposed to be the start up money, and pay me more money once we had more progress.
but you didn't pay the start up money after the drawing set was almost completed. now the city changed his requirement and demanding for a new survey, and we have to revise a big portion
of the design and every sheet of drawing will be affected.
ross, you told me almost a month ago saying the big boss approved the previous invoice and hope to release some part of the money, and i still didn't get paid. i have no money to pay
the cad people so i'm working the cad drawing myself and its time consuming and slow. and i have no money to pay the landscape guy to pick up the revised plans even i finish all my new
drawings which city requires to reflect all those new connecting ramps after our new survey.
without the proper funding, its hard to do a minimum decent job however hard i try.
respectfully
chaucer
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Ross Harle wrote:
Chaucer,
Please advise sir.
I need permits.
Ross Harle
Tabani Group, Inc.
16600 North Dallas Parkway
#300
Dallas, Texas 75248
rharle@tabanigroup.com
P: 972-417-5835 x 7008
F: 972-248-8772
________________________________
From: Clay Barnett [mailto:cbarnett@addisontx.gov]
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:42 AM
To: Ross Harle
Cc: Chris Robinson; chaucer chern
Subject: RE: revised storm drain, Crown Plaza
Ross,
We have not received revised plans from the engineer. After we receive them, we will review them to insure that the comments have been addressed.
If you have any questions, please let me know.
Thanks,
Clay Barnett, P.E.
Town Engineer
Town of Addison
16801 Westgrove Drive
Addison, TX 75001-2818
Office: (972) 450-2857
From: Ross Harle [mailto:RHarle@tabanigroup.com]
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 12:42 PM
To: Clay Barnett; chaucer chern
Cc: Chris Robinson
Subject: RE: revised storm drain, Crown Plaza
Any idea on when I can get a permit?
Ross Harle
Tabani Group, Inc.
16600 North Dallas Parkway
#300
Dallas, Texas 75248
rharle@tabanigroup.com
P: 972-417-5835 x 7008
F: 972-248-8772
________________________________
From: Clay Barnett [mailto:cbarnett@addisontx.gov]
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 1:22 PM
To: 'chaucer chern'
Cc: Ross Harle; Chris Robinson
Subject: RE: revised storm drain, Crown Plaza
Chaucer,
The town does not prohibit the use of PVC drains for private use. The town does not have a detail for tying a PVC line into a junction box.
Thanks,
Clay Barnett, P.E.
Town Engineer
Town of Addison
16801 Westgrove Drive
Addison, TX 75001-2818
Office: (972) 450-2857
From: chaucer chern [mailto:chaucerdesign@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 12:04 PM
To: Clay Barnett
Cc: Ross Harle; Chris Robinson
Subject: Re: revised storm drain, Crown Plaza
thanks, chris
i'll do the 12" sdr-35 lines. i'll tie the downspout direct into the line. i need help on the connections how the PVC system tie into the concrete box?
i'll look for the proper grate inlet at the sidewalk. is PVC grate acceptable for the outdoor use?
respectfully
chaucer
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Clay Barnett wrote:
Chaucer,
The town has no prohibition on PVC for private drainage.
If you have any additional questions, please feel free to contact me.
Thanks,
Clay Barnett, P.E.
Town Engineer
Town of Addison
16801 Westgrove Drive
Addison, TX 75001-2818
Office: (972) 450-2857
From: chaucer chern [mailto:chaucerdesign@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 11:28 PM
To: Chris Robinson
Cc: Clay Barnett; Ross Harle
Subject: Re: revised storm drain, Crown Plaza
hi, gentlemen
the reason for the 15" RCP is that most of cities i worked with, don't accept any pipe smaller than 15". the reason is smaller pipes are too easy to get clogged up
the total roof drain is less than 2 cfs. and according the calculation, a 10" PVC pipe is sufficient if city allows. this will save some money, and we can move the pipe to the edge of
the parking, right next to the new building. we still need to open up a good portion of the parking curb and concrete paving for a good access for the installation. and if city don't
demand the access/clean out, we can tie the roof downspout directly into the 6" lateral, then 10" main, if the owner and the ciy oks it, but this tight system will easily get clogged
up, and if the clean out spacing goes to the typical allowed, which is 300', then when its clogged, there will be little chance to salvage the situation. and i think a 12" pipe instead
of 10" is a better choice.
all this money we save here is just the material, the pipes, which is a smaller portion of the total cost. all labor and related construction charges stay the same. and i really think
that we should not choke down the spending on the material so we can provide a better safety factor here for the operation staff.
two years ago i installed a 12" SDR-35 pipes, a privite line, the price was really close to the 15" RCP. i know the installation time is shorter and the work was easier cause its longer
pipes with standard gasket. again, for us, it really depends if the city allows this smaller PVC pipe.
need your input whoever has the final says. i'll show whichever way you wanted on the plan. we need the permit.
thanks and have a good day.
respectfully
chaucer, 972-849-6848
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Chris Robinson wrote:
Chaucer,
I don’t think diverting runoff overland to Proton is an option anyway because it appears that the drains at the door stoops are a necessity.
Here are some suggestions for the drainage system you are proposing.
1. SDR-35 PVC could be used in place of RCP to reduce costs.
2. There is approximately 1.9 CFS of runoff coming from the roof. A 12” pipe at 1% is more than adequate.
3. Tie the gutter downspout directly to the drain pipe to limit the amount of water on the sidewalk.
4. Calculate the actual capacity and required capacity of the grate inlets at the doors. Provide this data in the plans. A 24” x 24” grate inlet seems large and may be a pedestrian
hazard. Insure that the grate inlet specified is indented for pedestrian use. If possible, located the grate inlet outside of the pedestrian route.
5. Run the pipe adjacent to the building, below the sidewalk being constructed, and cross the parking lot at a perpendicular angle to limit the amount of pavement replacement.
Thank you,
Chris Robinson, P.E.
Grantham & Associates
1919 S. Shiloh
Suite #440, LB 8
Garland, TX 75042
972-864-2333 ext. 121
214-869-8912 cell
972-864-2334 fax
________________________________
From: chaucer chern [mailto:chaucerdesign@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 5:37 PM
To: Chris Robinson
Cc: Clay Barnett; Ross Harle
Subject: Re: revised storm drain, Crown Plaza
hi, chris,
the inlet on the pronton where the zone 1 originally drain to, has two 10' inlets. i have no info on the line size. clay never get it to me. and there is another 10' inlet on the proton,
its about 300' west of this double inlet. i really don't see a problem on its capacity.
my read on this is that clay didn't like to change the existing drain pattern. so if we install a new drain system, it will take care of his concern. also caly got a point that the north
landing ramps(2) are lower than the grade, and it has a chance to back flow into the building if the line ever get clogged up. this new system, though, will address both issues at owner's
additional cost
respectfully
chaucer
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Chris Robinson wrote:
Chaucer,
Have you determined that discharging the roof runoff overland to the inlet in Proton is not an option under the Town’s drainage standards?
Chris Robinson, P.E.
Grantham & Associates
1919 S. Shiloh
Suite #440, LB 8
Garland, TX 75042
972-864-2333 ext. 121
214-869-8912 cell
972-864-2334 fax
________________________________
From: chaucer chern [mailto:chaucerdesign@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 3:42 PM
To: Clay Barnett; Chris Robinson; Ross Harle
Subject: Re: revised storm drain, Crown Plaza
good afternoon, gentlemen
after studying your 2nd review, here is my proposal:
1. install a new storm drain system, composed of 24" grate inlet and 15 and 18" RCP, to guide all roof water back to original 10' curb inlet on the midway road. thus we are not changing
the original drainage system, and hence, not adding water to the inlet on the proton street.
2. the new storm line has capacity up to 6 cps, and maintain drainage speed 2' per second at 1% or better slope
3. this system drain into existing 10' curb inlet, which connects to city's line on a existing 18" RCP
4. i'll revise the drainage calculation
5. will continue the plan clean ups for better clarity
have a great day
respectfully
chaucer
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Clay Barnett wrote:
Chaucer,
Attached are the comments for Crown Plaza.
Thanks,
Clay Barnett, P.E.
Town Engineer
Town of Addison
16801 Westgrove Drive
Addison, TX 75001-2818
Office: (972) 450-2857
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